anthony's college at oxford university. he is considered to be one of europe's most prominent scholars on islam. "the washington post" called him a muslim martin luther born in in switzerland to egyptian parents, he was banned from traveling to the united states under provision of the patriot act. that ban was lifted earlier this year. he has written morthan 20 books about islam and its aggression. his new book is called -- he has written more than 20 books about islam and its integration. at a time when islam is being hotly debated, i am pleased to have tariq ramadan with me in london. welcome. >> thank you. >> charlie: this idea of the burning at a church of the koran has what implications? because david petraeus has spoken out forcefully against it. >> i think -- i think he is right. when you know the islamic world and what is going in the islamic majority countries today and this perception that anything which is coming from the west, and especially from the states could be perceived as a provocation, and in fact it is